Let me start off by saying this. My view comes from the inside of the scene, although it may just be the edge of it. My perception of the scene seems is somewhat bias towards it being stupid and annoying. I have no journalistic integrity whatsoever. If your opinion differs from mine, I really don't care, opinions are opinions, no matter what Tom Beale seems to think.
Now, this thought arose when I began to notice one thing. There's this band (for all of you uninvolved with the ESHxC scene) called Brooklyn. From my knowledge, this band formed from members of other bands that had success around the scene, which all eventually broke up or something of the like. I used to be in a band with one of these members but that's ancient history and something I shan't go in to.
My major issue with this band is that they have existed for probably no longer than two months or so, and they're already playing gigs with Closure In Moscow, Emmure (who, for the record, I do not enjoy) and other large acts. How are they doing this you might ask? From what it looks like to me, it's their reputations in the scene crowd. It's the fact that all the scene kids love there old bands and don't care what Brooklyn do, as as they remain sceneys and play hardcore.
Now this is where my opinion comes into the matter. I think the music they create is dull, uninventive and boring. There's little to no creativity. Also, from what I hear from like minded people, their on stage demeanor really accentuates the fact that they are boring and uncreative (which is one of the things that can really put me off a band. as long as you have some decent stage presence, I don't mind you).
The reason this pisses me off is that after five years of listening to shitty hardcore bands dominate the scene, I have had enough of seeing no talent bumpkins getting places that they don't deserve. A deathcore band (which Brooklyn claims to be) does not belong on a line up with Closure In Moscow.
I play in a punk band, Am Farrows, which have been imposed into the scene just because we're heavy and are from that area. I don't like this fact but it's something I have to deal with. I'm not saying that my band should play with the likes of CIM just yet, us being relatively but not so new, definitely less new than Brooklyn, but a punk band really should be getting more attention than veteran scene kids.
I blame Ash Hull.
I may post more on this subject at a later time, feel free to stick around.
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ReplyDeleteWell said friend. You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. This is how the scene got so shit. However i personally don't mind Brooklyn, but i can see exactly where you are coming from. If they weren't in their old bands, they'd be pretty unknown, but they've been able to hype themselves up heaps. Bands like Dream on Dreamer, Trainwreck etc... are also in the same boat. Whuddup we used to be in cool bands. Let's milk it and make as much cash from this regurgitated bullshit as possible!
ReplyDeleteAlso, quick side note, I have nothing against the members of Brooklyn, as people they're nice, it's just unfortunate that they have such scene status. Other bands fall into this category, it's just that Brooklyn has been popping up a lot more than most.
ReplyDeleteIT'S ME, JAMIE ;D
ReplyDeleteSpot on. This is so shit. Brooklyn is a no-no.
And your decisive perspective is somewhat inspiring.
amazing true and i also blame ash hull but as he is a child and cannot be held for his easily swayed opinions i blame tom beale for everything that is wrong in the world
ReplyDeleteWhy you even need to drop your band into this I don't know but I had never actually listened to you guys until I read this fucking stupid post.
ReplyDeleteBut anyway back to Brooklyn I personally have had the joy of booking and working with them on a show and it had nothing to do with their 'scene' stature as well lets face it I knew one member from the band before listening to them. Their professional stature as a band and previous band experience is whats getting them places. The fact they dont sit here and constantly rag on other bands just because they have jealousy and actually support a whole bunch of their friends isnt a reason at all to bitch and moan about them 'ruining' the scene....
I think Tom Beale is painfully underrated.
ReplyDelete- RiRi
I also, often wondered how Brooklyn got such great positions in gigs/tours because I personally don't think their music is the most mind-blowing.
ReplyDeleteBut before I went out and posted a whole lot of shit about them on my "blawg" and blamed them for the already decaying eastern suburb music scene (which is in fact being ruined by people with your personality and behavior, "bitching" about these things in particular)
I got to know the band a little.
Through this, I came to understand that it was far from their previous status that got them where they are, but their professionalism when it comes to management and even merchandise.
They've got intelligent members that are the backbone to their success (outside the aspect of the music composition) putting in the hard-yards to help them progress.
Maybe if your band made an effort to create relationships with show management groups and/or behaved yourselves like experienced professionals, you might be in the same position Brooklyn are in.
But you don't so until then, continue your behavior, be patient and wait for a sponsor or some manager to become interested and wait like every other band out there.
When people are in bands for as long as Brooklyn members (up to 3 years) they learn a lot of tricks on how to succeed where they have previously failed with other bands.
ReplyDeleteI think you need to get over this whole "the scene is dead" business. People that complain about this are stupid. Most people weren't even involved with the actual bands that were involved in "the scene" back in the day. Some of the things that made those days soo good were that no one bitched about the scene. They supported their friends bands success despite their jealousy. People got along and NO ONE had a rockstar attitude about them. It was people that did what they did because they loved it and had a lot of fun. YOU are the reason "the scene" is being destroyed, just grow up.
As far as Brooklyn's music goes, no one cares what you think. Everyone's music taste is different. I know them and they are playing a genre they like, they don't have to be revolutionary, they have to enjoy music.
People shouldn't write music for anyone else besides themselves.
As far as stage presence goes I'm not sure what your problem with theirs is. I have seen a few of their shows and it only improves every show. They are still a new band as you said. Just because they don't smash cheap guitars to try to be cool doesn't mean they have bad stage presence.
You are right, the eastern suburbs music scene is a lot different to how it is now. Time brings change, embrace it. If you want to post bullshit like this because you are frustrated with your bands status go for it, but it's low to single out one band that despite all this hate have always been humble to everyone and play second or open shows after playing with such huge line ups like Suicide Silence and don't care because they like to support other bands. If you want to keep poisoning the Eastern Suburbs Music Scene by thinking people care about what you think, go for it.
This is why you will continue to be jealous and hate a scene that will in turn hate you.
Sorry, I take a bias on common sense
hugs and kisses.
what's with everyone bitching about the scene being dead?
ReplyDeletethe thing ruining the scene is all of the people who bitch about:
other bands, shit gigs, how hard life is because their band can't get a show, and most importantly; the scene being dead.
if you were at the wolves ep launch, you would have seen (or 'scene' if you may) how there is hope. it was an awesome show. the crowd had fun and the bands had fun. none of this stupid "the scene sucks" bullshit
bitching about something isn't going to fix it.
Don't fall for it! It's obviously a ploy for publicity.
ReplyDeleteLolz
ReplyDeletei really enjoyed this refreshing take on the eastern suburb music scene.
ReplyDeletethe issue with e/s is it primarily a 'core' scene (core refers to all the genre's ending core for those who don't know anything abut the music scene)
as an A&R person, i sit day after day sifting through a pile of shit bands trying to find a diamond in the rough, when i think iv found one i go and see them live and i am usually let down thanks to the excellent mixing skills of those who have recorded them.
as for all the brooklyn comments above, i have seen brooklyn many times, they are yet another hardcore band, they have that sound that fits in nicely with labels like dead souls, resist and midnight funeral records as they have a primarily 'core' focus. the music is not terrible but its not stand out, they take the occasional successful risk but to the Aus music scene they're another 'core' band doing what they do and should not be criticised for that.
matt should not be criticised for his view on the scene, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, he displayed his in writing as have those 'keyboard warriors' who don't seem to have the balls to stand by their opinions.
PS (post script) the music industry gives out good gigs and amazing supports to those who have hype.
ReplyDeleteeg: 'band1' has hype
company x has a support to fill for band 2 & searches the internet for said hype, band 1 has the hype and is offered the support.
con: bands dont have to be amazing to get good supports, they just have to sell tickets.
i dont see why everyone is getting so butthurt about this. Matt has just posted his opinion on something, i dont think he should be condemned for that
ReplyDeleteHey.
ReplyDeleteAs stated many times, Brooklyn is the genre that it is.
ReplyDeleteIf you're not a fan of constant top-string-breakdown-off-beat-rhythms with slices of mid-ranged melodies to distinguish different sections of their songs, then it's quite obvious you won't like them.